Ira Sohn Conference Notes

Yesterday was the Ira Sohn Investment Conference held annually in NYC.  This is the premier “Ideas” conference with the top hedge fund managers explaining their best longs and shorts.

Normura took notes and here they are:

Ken Rogoff – This Time is Different

Stunning amount of debt around the globe – private, external, personal, ect …

Debt is a fringe field in finance – a lot of the models don’t deal with it well

Severe financial crisis – what to expect

Houses  -36% lasts 5yrs

Equity prices  -56% lasted 3.4%

Unemployment 7% lasts 4.8yrs

Read GDP per capital -9.3% lasts 1.7yrs

Expecting to see several countries default

Greece situation is not that surprising – its been in a state of default for most years

Greece is not that different – its right where it should be given where it is in its state of development

Political union between France and German is the “only way out”

Larry Robbins – Glenview

4 legs to investing  - economy, Liquidity, DC, Legal

Idea: Long Hospitals (THC, HMA, HCA, LPNT) and Life Sciences Short Utilities (ITC) and Defense

Hospital EBITDA has been growing very steadily

Affodable Care = good for bad debt expense & Increases coverage and promotes utilization

They can buy back 57% – 108% of their stock

Not for profit economics protect for profit hospitals

THC – Long

Stable eps

accelerating fundamentals

Competitive halo

Overcapitalized

2012 eps power is 60c … walks to $1.49 by `14

ITC – Short

Capital structure is over-equitized and it means the customers are overpaying

MA and CT AGs went to FERC and got ROEs down in their regions

True leverage is much higher – Equity is more like 6%

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Jonathan Kolatch – Redwood Capital

Argentina sov debt

Low debt to GDP at 44.5% – private creditors are 15% of GDP

Good GDP growth

Surplus is fine

15% yld

Defaulted in 2001 – debt/GDP has been declining steady, and GDP has been growing

The economy is supported by agriculture (50% of exports) – good demographic trends

.08% paid to non government holders – if they DID default, they would save very little

60% of debt is denominated in FX, 40% in pesos

Recent YPF (National Oil Co) nationalized

Argentine “Sin”

They are still in default

Nationalized the private pension system

Nationalization of YPF

Understating its inflation rate

Price caps

Bonds they own – EUR 7.82% due 12/31/2033 – they trade at 57c w/ a YTM of 15%

The EUR and US trade 10 points wide – no good explanation of why

Catalysts

Bring in foreign investment JVs with YPF

Depreciate the peso

Settlement of debt owned to the Paris clubs

Congressional elections in 2013

Presidential election in 2015

Dwight Aderson – Osprey

Westlake Chemical – Long

Cost curve downshift in nat gas is good for Ethylene

Competitors are using NAPTHA (oil based) while WLK uses nat gas

US Ethane costs remain high given processing and fractionation capacity constraints

expecting a 25c/lb fall in price

$75 a share of replacement costs of assets

Expanding capacity

Lots of FCF

 

assume $4.50 gas and $90 crude with 0% Ethylene prices leaves $700m in CF

Target is $95

 

Palladium – bullish vs Platinum

Far too complex for me …

most supply is produced as a by product of mining for other metals

Auto is 65%

Meryl Witmer – Eagle Capital

Look for:

Excellent management team

great capital allocation

Free cash flow machines

Strong balance sheet

Gildan (GIL) – long

Vertically integrated apparel manufacturer

70% market share

lowest cost producer

Temp depressed earnings given cotton price spike

10.3x after tax FCF

Shirts have gone from $2.50 to $1.50 in 10 yrs

recently added 40% to overall capacity, temp depressing ROIC

Acquisition of Anvil allows them to go after “National Accounts” such as RBK and NKE

Hains is exiting the business

Stock worth 36.50 – 43 by `13, 50 – 53 by `14/`15

VIAB – long

Nielsen numbers of -20% are off from the companies flat to -5%

Ratings challenges are nothing new and can be fixed

returning $20b of cash to shareholders via shr repo and divy vs 25b in equity cap

stock is 43% to 100% undervalued on `15 numbers

Philippe Laffont – Coatue

Equinix (EQIX) – long

Data center play

Massive market share in key cities

Awesome business economics

data centers cost $2b and generate 600m in annual FCF

Stock could triple

Vigin Media (VMED) – long

We are about to hit the S curve in high speed net adds

20% un-levered ROIC

The broadband economics are still very good because the internet is free

4% rev growth

6% EBITDA growth

10% FCF growth

25% FCF per share growth (given buyback)

expects 4.5b in `13-`16 FCF

3x net debt / EBITDA

2B in new debt

capacity to buyback the whole company

John Wilder – Bluescape 

Natural Gas Outlook

`11 was the largest y/y increase in gas supply – 20% over the last best year – driven by 4 major shale gas plays

Nat gas demand does not change much at all

Nat gas does not correlate to GDP

275 gw buildout of gas fired power gen capacity was built

Gas was priced off oil first, then coal, now cash costs – we are unlikely to return to the oil/gas ratio

Forward market suggest we return to pricing gas off the coal price

Use it or loose keeps rigs going that may not otherwise be working

Productivity – measured by F&D costs – are down dramatically

700-800 rigs needed to match depletion

10 years of gas supply at cash costs of $2 or less

Not enough liquids production to impact the supply balance

Likes the WLK idea

Jeff Gundlach – DoubleLine

Lots of Karl Marx quotes leading to a description of tail risk

Thinks Eurozone bond yields are going higher

Thinks social unrest is possible given high youth unemployment

Growth w/ austerity is nonsense

Long: IBEX, 1yr Libor 10x, Nat Gas, US$

Short: SPX, JWN, AAPL, 2yr swaps 50x

Last year’s recommended portfolio was up 30%

David Einhorn – Greenlight

MLM – Short

CEO asked for a 20% premium if he had to wait to 3yrs to be CEO

French default is possible – likes 5yr sov CDS

Short Inditex

Likes Norway – not insolvent; not debasing the currency

Long GJF NO

Long Cairn Energy

Negative China

Negative Japan

Negative on US REITs as japanese trusts are forced to liquidate

Negative Facebook

Negative AMZN – thinks margins are questionable

Negative X

Positive AAPL – not crowded – hedgefunds remain underweight – its not a hardware company – its a software company

GOUP – Greenlight Opportunistic Use of Preferred – said all the details will go up on the website

Michael Price

Last year pitched MS, GS, C,  BAC … Big Banks – now thinks maybe the big banks are dying a slow death

Would not touch European stocks

Bought JCP today – look at the holders, the management and their track record

Winner of the stock picking competition – XRX

SOTP story - Very detailed numbers based presentation – bet this guy gets a job offer inside the next 48 hrs

Dan Ariely – Duke University

The problem of self control

short term regularly wins over long term

In the future we are wonderful people – box of chocolates half a box … wait 1 week vs wait a year and 1 week

reward substitution – tie good long term goals with short term rewards

To fight elf control re-create your environment so you are tempted less and create rewards

Stephen Mandel – Lonepine

Bearish fixed income because the ylds are so low and inflation will come

Pockets of value in:

20% Tech leaders – Mobile, Search, Travel, Outsourced Services

20% Share count shrinkers – solid market positions, models growth, plowing back FCF into shr repo by 8-10%

KSS – buying back a lot of stock, less than 10x EPS, 5x EBITDA; see 5.50 in next yr EPS

John Paulson – Paulson

CZR long – cheap call option

Equity is only 7% of the capital structure

Holdco structure also gives you access to the cash and the online gaming assets

No maturities to `15

Thinks the stock can be a 10 bagger

Anglo Gold

Severe under performance vs gold

earnings have been doing very well – growing faster than the rise in the price of gold

10yr low in valuation

EV/Reserve is a much better way to get gold exposure

74% discount to peers based on a EV/LTM EBITDA to production growth regression

CVR Energy – A gift from Icahn

Get the upside (CCP) if the company can be sold for more than $30

Get a CCP for 35c

Thinks the CCP can pay $6.15

John Lykouretzos – Hoplite

SBUX

coffee market is large, growing, and moving more premium

Coffee is compounding at 8% – Single serve is growing fasted

SWITZ – single serve is 60% … vs 8% in the US

SBUX has less that 4% share of the at home market

Stores are 70% of OP

looking for store growth re-acceleration in `13

volume is driven by choice!  New brewing system is SBUX product exclusive

China is growing fast – and it has the best margins

$90 3 yr target

Bill Ackman – Pershing Square

JCP

Best management team in the retail industry

Average cost is $26

Problem: commodity product; no price integrity

49% of RE is owned

Great Scale

Ron Johnson – TGT; AAPL; JCP

Ron owns $50m in restricted stock and paid $50m for warrants

Really Really strong management team

Extreme makeover

New concept is a mall within a mall with stores within JCP

JCP gives space at $2 a sq ft vs $40 cost to a specialty store

By Aug 50% of the product wil be new or revamped

Cost reduction opportunity is larger than last year’s profit

Stock is worth 77 – 125

Why can’t the store in store concept do a similar amount of sales per sq ft that they do as stand alones?

Bull case is a 10 bagger

Disclosure: I do not have a position in any stocks mentioned in this article, do not have a plan to initiate a position within the next 72 hours.
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